“I urge the presbyters among you: (…) give a shepherd’s care to the flock of God that is entrusted to you: watch over it, not simply as a duty but gladly, as  God wants; not for sordid money, but because you are eager to do it. Do not lord it over the group which is in your charge, but be an example for the flock.

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In the same way, younger people, be subject to the presbyters. Humility towards one another must be the garment you all wear constantly, because God opposes the proud but accords his favour to the humble”

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St. Peter Apostle

1 Peter 5:1-5

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  1. Avatar ONG says:

    Hehe… Good one, Pedro!
    I was wondering…

  2. Avatar Christopher Lake says:

    Yep, it’s the first Pope speaking to us in Scripture! I love it! 🙂

    In my experience, one of the things that many non-Catholics (and some Catholics) don’t seem to “get” about the Papacy and the Magisterium is that their teaching role, including, historically, concerning the promotion of orthodoxy and the warning against heresy, is *not* about “consolidating Catholic power” and suppressing anything which might threaten that power, but quite to the contrary, that teaching role is actually *part of their genuine care for us*.

    I get the non-Catholic objections to having a Pope and Magisterium; I definitely do. I used to be, variously, an atheist and an anti-Catholic, Calvinist Protestant, so I’ve heard the objections, and, at times, articulated them myself. However, as a Catholic now, I can truly say that I am very, very thankful for the Pope and the Magisterium. I’ve seen a non-Catholic friend read the Bible, a la Sola Scriptura, and reach the conclusion that the Trinity is a heretical doctrine, because he did not see it being “clearly taught” in the Bible. This same friend continued to read the Bible and eventually lost his faith in God altogether, coming to believe that the Bible is merely a collection of human musings about the ineffable and unknowable. I could be completely wrong, but I do wonder about whether, if this friend had been raised as a thoughtful practicing Catholic, reading the Bible *with the Church*, he might be in a very different place, faith-wise, today.

  3. Avatar Germaine says:

    I love this. You should have named this website One Peter Five or something.

    • Avatar carn says:

      Name already used by others.

      Which shows how differently perspectives can be.

      The other site especially highlights this part of 1 Peter 5:

      “8Be sober and vigilant. Your opponent the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion looking for [someone] to devour.f 9Resist him, steadfast in faith, knowing that your fellow believers throughout the world undergo the same sufferings.”

      • Pedro Gabriel Pedro Gabriel says:

        Yes, that part of 1 Peter 5 works for the purpose of our site too.

        Also, the existence of different perspectives and interpretations does not mean that all are valid. That’s relativism.

      • Avatar carn says:

        @Pedro Gabriel

        “Also, the existence of different perspectives and interpretations does not mean that all are valid.”

        I agree.

        I would consider the view of both sites semi-valid to a differing degree, which i can only guess.

        “Your opponent the devil”

        Cause if the saying is true, that the devil is a lawyer, then his plans would never be so simple that one side is right and the other side is wrong; instead i think he would try to make all his plans such, that those opposing the plans are likely to commit errors furthering what the devil wants, so that they are opposed by others committing their own errors again furthering what the devil wants, and on and on, all thinking that their opponents do the devil’s work, while the devil tries to make them all dance to his tune. And he would in my opinion try the same thing on Priests, Bishops, Cardinals and even Popes.

        I say that, cause i am a lawyer myself and a simple plan that would end up having one good side and one evil is just not layerlike. More something like WW2, in which one side ended up allying with “their” devil, who could snatch half of Europe, and ended up with focusing “attacks on the morale of the enemy civil population”, creating city replicas to test how an all consuming firestorm might be caused and using nuclear weapons against cities. And that side were the good guys or “good” guys.

      • Pedro Gabriel Pedro Gabriel says:

        Actually, if I were the Devil, what I would do would be to deceive people into believing there is no good side, so that the good side would be viewed as just another legitimate view alongside the bad side.

        That’s what we have seen in every single defense of grave evils, including abortion

      • Avatar Mary Angelica says:

        To be fair, the Devil probably uses both strategies, and more… carn’s and Pedro’s aren’t entirely contradictory if you consider how temptation tends to be personalized towards the one who is tempted.

      • Avatar carn says:

        @Mary Angelica

        I agree.

        If one looks at the pictures of Hiroshima, it is a lot more easy to end up thinking that there is no good side at all, in which case there would also be no evil side.

        And if one stops thinking there is good and evil, one of course is far more likely to end up doing something evil.

        So both can be applied simultaneously for greater effect.

  4. Avatar jong says:

    To all those still doubts our beloved Pope Francis wisdom in shepherding Christ flock, and still put their hope & trust in the Dubia Cardinals.

    I find the St.Francis prayer a good reminders to all who embraced the Dubia..

    Lord make me an instrument of your PEACE
    Where there is HATRED let me sow LOVE
    Where there is injury, pardon
    Where there is DUBIA, faith
    Where there is despair, hope
    Where there is darkness, LIGHT
    And where there is sadness, joy
    O divine master grant that I may
    not so much seek to be consoled as to console
    to be UNDERSTOOD as to understand
    To be loved as to love
    For it is in giving that we receive
    it is in pardoning that we are pardoned
    And it’s in dying that we are born to eternal life
    Amen.

    I do hope Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider and esp. the Rad Trads host like Dr.Marshall, John Westen, M. Matt & Voris,, etc.. may be guided by Mama Mary to see this humble prayer and may they receive the grace to embrace humility & obedience, including all of us the graces to ponder and pray this beautiful prayer in moments of DUBIA .
    God bless.